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*ponders* Anyone want to explain the facination with drinking to me? Especially illegal drinking?

Date: 2007-10-16 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
Europe has a much lower drinking age then your America, and also - a much, much lower incidence of binge drinking, drunken driving or alcohol poisoning.

When a law indirectly teaches irresponsibility, it is amoral and worth breaking.

Date: 2007-10-16 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-rahne.livejournal.com
Frankly, I do not believe you break this one for any reason but your own pleasure. The fact that there are unjust laws or silly ones does not make it any less admirable in Laurie to have a general respect for the law and discomfort with breaking it for frivolous reasons, and I have less respect for those of you who are trying to make her feel guilty for that.

Date: 2007-10-16 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-pressive.livejournal.com
People ought to learn to think for themselves and not be sheep just because "it's the law."

Date: 2007-10-16 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-jeangrey.livejournal.com
And, similarly, to not do or say things simply because it's what everyone else is saying. I think Laurie has rather proved that she has thought for herself on the matter of following laws and knows her own opinion, regardless of anyone else's take on the matter.

Date: 2007-10-16 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
Then she should refrain from dictating to others how they should consider laws and when and how to break them or follow them.

I had no particular problem with her choice in following the law until she informed all of us, and I do quote from her comment above "Because it's the law. We don't get to pick and choose which laws we follow. "

Laurie's choice is as valid as mine or Mark's or Rahne's or anyone else's. Her attempts to preach her brand of morality and ethics are only going to be met with argument.

It is not, after all, if any of us have forced her to drink illegally or break any laws. We simply point out the flaws in her reasoning.

Date: 2007-10-16 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-jeangrey.livejournal.com
Well, if you objected to her informing you all of her choice, perhaps you should not have asked her "why should he or she respect such a restrictive law?" as it was basically guarunteed to elicit an opinion of some sort. It is a tad harsh to become upset with her for answering your own question.

Date: 2007-10-16 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-wallflower-.livejournal.com
:p! I am not a sheeps. But I get where you guys are coming from.

Maybe this is where we agree to disagree on certain aspects of society? :)

Date: 2007-10-16 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-tarot.livejournal.com
I am quite certain you'll be speaking with the Professor about the telepathy that you've developed, quite uncontrollably, to be able to read my mine and judge the thoughts behind what I say here, yes?

Until you have a grasp on this new developed power, please stay out of my head. You may find that it undoes your simplistic black and white view of morality, legality and ethics.

Date: 2007-10-16 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-cypher.livejournal.com
Since when is encouraging discourse by having a differing opinion "making her feel guilty"?

A general respect for the law is indeed a healthy thing. But "frivolous" is a very slippery slope. What YOU perceive as frivolous is not automatically what others might consider frivolous. Marius was the first to raise the valid point that by his own consideration, due to being legal to drink in his home country, he finds America's drinking laws frivolous. Why is Laurie's opinion automatically more admirable than Marius' in your opinion?

Date: 2007-10-16 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-gambit.livejournal.com
A general respect for the law is indeed a healthy thing.

Are you still drunk, Ramsey?

Date: 2007-10-16 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-cypher.livejournal.com
Some peoples' respect for the law is more general than others? :)

Date: 2007-10-16 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
Is this like my 'rules are things that happen to other people' argument? Which never works for me, I might add.

Date: 2007-10-16 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-firestar.livejournal.com
I dunno, maybe I'm not reading it wrong but I don't think anyone's trying to make her feel guilty. Differing thoughts on it, yeah, and seems like it's something everyone feels strongly about.

I've seen guilt trips and this really isn't one.

But here's an interesting question. Some churches give out wine for communion to folks under age. Technically, that's breaking the law though I know it's overlooked a lot (and not done in my church) since, you know, no one's getting drunk off the communion wine.

Hopefully.

So how does something like that fit in?

Date: 2007-10-16 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
Not quite what you were saying, with the communion wine, but... uh. There's kind of a tradition among less angelic choirboys to break into the cupboard at least once in their stint.

I know. I was one.

Date: 2007-10-16 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-firestar.livejournal.com
...that's just funny.

You were a choirboy? Aww.

Date: 2007-10-16 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was a choirboy. I think my mother might still have some photos... which none of you will ever see. Ever.

Date: 2007-10-16 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-firestar.livejournal.com
But your mother likes me! I ate three plates of food! (I thought she was going to adopt me, seriously.) I bet I could get her to cough those up. La la la...

Date: 2007-10-16 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
Not if I get there first.

Clarice, don't you dare.

Date: 2007-10-16 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-firestar.livejournal.com
Dude, I can fly, remember? (Though I don't know how tired I would be from that extended a trip...)

...I need the Pixie Express!

Date: 2007-10-16 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
Clarice, I will never take you to my mother's to be fed again if you do.

Date: 2007-10-16 05:50 pm (UTC)
xp_daytripper: (so very evil)
From: [personal profile] xp_daytripper
You know, it's been a whole week since I last visited your mum. And since we're going away for the weekend and all, probably should check in...

Date: 2007-10-16 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
They're moving to my room. In a box. With a combination lock.

Date: 2007-10-16 06:02 pm (UTC)
xp_daytripper: (sneaky)
From: [personal profile] xp_daytripper
Except I'm in New York, and you're in Westchester... Think I make take my lunch break now, take a quick trip over to your mum's work... *eg*

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Date: 2007-10-16 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-cypher.livejournal.com
I wonder if any of them somehow made it onto the magical intarwebs! *grin*

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